Master Duel has announced a Forbidden / Limited List Update! It will be implemented on February 6th
Nice to see Eldlich cards' banlist hits being lifted. Eldich Cards were never the problem. It's all the floodgates that were causing issues majorly, and personally think they should either be banned or at least limited, but that's just me (and I am saying this as an Eldich player)
They should have banned That Grass Looks Greener though, not semi-limited. But this could change who knows (Depends on Tearlaments later)
Finally Union Carrier is gone. Long overdue.
Toadally Awesome being banned is screaming Sprights preliminary hit. People will most likely be playing Tearlament Sprights, Runick Sprights, Live Twin Sprights, or Tri-Brigade Sprights I think.
Salamangreat Gazelle being out of banlist is long overdue, and as a Salamangreat fan, I am glad.
hard not to agree, i always thought eldlich is a degenerate deck but i was so delusional, but i was given a lesson after a series of games vs runick
But the same as with Eldlich the issue is not the Runick cards. The issue comes from degenerate Floodgate decks that can and will play any card that limits an opponents ability to play the game. By itself Runick is mainly good for a bit of control and drawing and thus can help in a control deck that is a bit too slow for the current meta. Like Orcrust. Orcrust Runick is very fun to play and does not need any of the annoying Floodgates to win.
Orcust Runick is fun and Synchro Runick is also fun. Floodgates just scream "I have no skill".
U don't want grass in tears for 2 major reasons,
Yes it is and its even worse play grass with tearlament cause they have a LOT of ways to mill the correct cards, they have even cards that let them send to the graveyard an specific card from his deck kekw.
I'm pretty sure the Grass hit is an additional light whack to Adamancipator, not Tear, given that a Tear grass build is an awful idea.
Which means that they're not coming without any hits at all. You people have terrible hindsight. If they're pre-hitting Spright, which didn't dominate to a level as high as Tears did, then Tears aren't coming unscathed.
The issue with tears is that their power level is so high there's no way soft hits will do anything meaningful to them, is either upright ban the big names or let them dominate on a not as strong state. I assume they'll come limited in some way or form but who knows what approach konami will take.
they banned Kitkalos, the heart and soul of the deck, the card that binds the deck together and somehow not only is the deck playable its a tier 1 deck lmao.
They literally just prehit a major popular archetype in this very banlist after prehitting Adventure so I have no idea where this confidence is coming from. None of us can see the future, maybe they won't hit Tear, maybe the hit won't be enough given how strong Tear is, but I wish I had your absolute confidence based on literally nothing.
I dont play tcg or ocg, but from what i read, tear 0 is only after ishizu cards and until then spright is on par with them, so why wouldn't they come unscathed?
Because there's a heavy precedent now. Adventurer came pre-hit, they're doing pre-hits against Spright. It's very possible that Spright also come with some pre-hits on their cards like Starter and/or Jet.
Toad ban is the prehit, I'm sure they won't hit Spright cards. Or at least I hope so it'd be absolutely absurd.
why are u getting downvoated lol theres like 0 way tearlaments are ever gonna be at full power. Especially after what the ocg did to them. If they dont get hit on release then certainly with the ishizu cards. Toad already banned when it only got banned in ocg and tcg after spright already went rampant.
because you're naive, what you're saying now is exactly what half the tcg playerbase said before they got rolled by full power tearlaments for 2 formats and counting. Right now in the OCG almost every tearlaments card is on the F+L list and that deck is still dominating (in a format a year ahead of our own), do you honestly think master duel will hit more tear cards than the current OCG list? because if not it will be easily tier 0
Tearlaments is not currently tier 0 in the ocg. You're also assuming the Ishizu cards will come out at the same time as the tear cards. While tear was strong without the ishizu cards, they were never tier 0 (due to sproght and floo) and they will not be tier 0 upon their initial release in MD even if they are unhit. I assume they will be prehit though, and if they are they certainly will never be tier 0. Tier 1 sure but I don't think they're going to dominate the format like you're thinking. It's essentially going to be another branded despia situation but instead of branded, floo and swordsoul it'll be tearlaments, spright and kashtira (when all the kashtira support is released)
They represent 35% of the metagame still According to road of the king. Still best deck by far
Bruh, they banned the most important card, a card that makes the deck, Kitkaloss and somehow not only is tears playable its still tier 1, like that's how ahead of everything else the deck is lmao.
banning Kitkaloss is like banning Lubellion, in despia for reference, also Splight without Halq, Carrier or Toad is very weak compared to tears.
Let me introduce you to Runick Spright, at least until the ishizu cards are added it has the potential to be better than tear.
Which means that not only are they not coming in unscathed, Kash is coming too
People on this website love to downvote stuff regardless of whether or not it's warranted lol. Someone could make a perfectly harmless comment and you'll see -15
I asked the same question a while ago and its just the toxicity of the YGO community.
that's just the way it is on the internet. you don't like something, anything, then you downvote it for that sweet catharsis. it's petty and childish, but then so are most yugioh players. pay it no mind. downvotes/upvotes mean nothing.
exactly. But I wish that we will grow to a healthier more friendly community one day..
I donβt think upvotes and downvotes are a good indication of peoples level of friendliness. It just happens that tons of comments (good input or otherwise) always get downvoted heavily on the banlist announcements. The people in the discord Iβve come across are usually very nice and helpful
Maybe I am wrong and people just have not figured out how to properly use the downvote button. But in my opinion, Downvote-Buttons in general are super toxic in social networks and there should be an other solution to express a different opinion.
Another banlist and still no change to Nadir Servant, please just let me play with my church girls
We need a dismantling bonus for Bahamut Shark too if their gonna do my boy Toad dirty like this
I mean i dont play toad in my shark deck. Granted its Barian Sharks, so i just use the bahamut to summon rebarian shark, then use it to summon fully armored black ray lancer. its worked out pretty well for me
I donβt understand why they still barely touched floodgate trapsβ¦ Please massacre them konami
Lol look at any tournament and tell me how many floodgate traps u see in top cut. All them are pure bricks in many match ups as well. Despia doesnt care about gozen and tcboo and can even play them and mathmech and swo dont care about rivalry and can play that too. They dont tho because theyre not that strong compared to having more extendors or handtraps going 2nd. Also many decks have in engine backrow clear and play harpies and cosmic cyclone. Back in the early days of md they were defo too strong but now theyre simply mid.
They are still BS and sacky. They shouldn't be in a Bo1 format, just like Numeron OTK. Even if they aren't that good I don't think it's good for the health of the game, reducing frustration from both low level and high level players is for the best.
What? Its not good for the health of the game to play strategies that u dont like even though theyre worse than what u play? Cant believe the amount of people that play decks like swordsoul despia and mathmech and say numeron and eldlich are unhealthy for the game. What an egocentric opinion. Apart from 10 min unbreakable board combo decks pretty much any strategy is fine. U got spell trap board breakers like lightning storm and harpies that are wayyy better than their monster equivalent droplets and dark ruler. Trap decks play no hand traps for going second and end on no omninegates going first. Theyre pretty healthy as they are. Ure literally playing 12 or more handtraps in ur deck just to have a chance against combo decks and only one or two bacvkrow removal if any. Imagine if u played 12 backrow removal in ur deck how useless floodgate decks would be. Furthermore none of the floodgates are searchable while combo decks always end on negates and other nonsense like non targeting send 3 cards from field and hand to grave plus negate. Thats also "BS and sacky" except its not sacky because they consistently get it every time. Playing labrynth is literally so scuffed rn and then theres people like u further spitting on control decks graves. Eldlich dead floo dead and soon runick dead and u wont stop. I hope konami doesnt listen to the communitys spoiled combo crybabies.
I was literally thinking that conquistador could be at three the past few days. Maybe later they will place it back at three. I don't even play Eldlich but they had nothing going for them.
Nice banlist. The hits to Union Carrier and Toad are obviously hits against Spright, which is likely to come next month.
Shifter and TCBOO are degenerate cards, and I say this as someone that plays them both in my Myutant deck, so I'm ok to see them going down. Will possibly get hit to 1 later down the line.
Anyone that thinks that Tears will come without any massive pre-hits is smoking some good ****, so save your complaints for later. Assuming they're hit to a manageable power level no one will be needing Shifter to handle them.
What about anything konami has ever done makes you think tearlaments will be released at a 'managable power level', do you have any idea how many direct tear hits that would take? a semi-limit on merlli isnt gonna cut it lol
Kitkallos to 1, Havnis, Reinoheart and Scheiren to 2, Perlereino to one before release. Then once the deck fullfills its cycle on the meta (the next duelist cup after it releases), it gets harsher hits (the Kitkallos ban and whatever hits Tears gets in the next OCG list).
I wanna ask to those people who reacted "Sad" at the banlist: What were you expecting in the banlist?
I'm sad for Toad, but oh well, better keep Spright in control after what happened in the OCG.
So can I pull union carrier now from the pack and then on 6th Feb dismantle each for 30 URs that insane if its happened LOL?
I hope people enjoyed playing abc therion for like a ******* week or something because that deck has now been killed we spent 3 ban lists unhitting dragon busters for this
Yu-gi-oh players genuinely have no clue what they want. Floodgates get a decent consistency hit, union carrier, an actively degenerate card and an omni-negate get banned for Splight, the Eldlich bans start getting reduced, and Grass gets a mild consistency hit (though it should probably just be banned imo) and people are still upset about this? lol
Yeah lmao, I'm personally really happy with these hits and I'm surprised so many people are upset.
all these yugitubers preaching this is gonna be the worst master duel format are driving me crazy, this list is excellent for the game, what's the big deal if we ban carrier?
The issue is that these same people spent months massively hyping up Spright, so now that the deck isn't an autowin against anything not named Branded/Swordsoul/Mathmech these people get upset. YGO players will **** talk floodgates and broken cards one second, then happily use those same cards to win the next one, and cry and seethe when the cards get banned later.
Konami loves us so much they gonna gives us Sprights/Tear on Valentines' Day. Gotta love em back.
Can't wait for splight to destroy master duel then tears will finish it while it's down
Spright isn't destroying anything without their double omninegate and without buster lock. It will be a good deck, don't get me wrong, but not to the level it becomes tier zero.
What kind of take is this? We already had tearlaments without ishizu, it was game warpingly strong and made every deck currently available in master duel functionally obsolete except exactly flunder (who currently has no statue and 2 shifter) and exosister and those are rogue options at best. The only deck that could ever touch no ishizu tearlaments was ....drumroll....spright....with toad!
Eldich getting the cards back is nice, the decks anoyance never came from anything inside the archtype anyway. Gazelle and Double Iris is cute too, Salamangreat and Pendulum Magicians are just very fun decks with many moving parts. Not happy about Union Carrier, since I only completed my ABC deck last week ... and the frog will leave a big hole in my Marincess deck, guess Kragen is the new Xyz of choice then.
i would advice you to do like me and check your deck with the ocg banlist before you build it, i wanted to buid abc but since carrier was banned i put it on hold until i see what's gonna happen. hopefully carrier will get an errata later, maybe this year or the next one. I lost 1 copy of toad in shark but I don't care about it tbh, hopefully you'll find alt combos in marincess since they have many cards
as a marinzess player i can tell you for sure that toad doesn't effectively finish the deck. it's the powercreep that kills the deck as well as the other decks now, soon and spright and tears expected. any marinzess player knows that he or she can never count on finishing their board with an extra toad. toad is or was just a luxury if you have enough materials to build it and you first have to be able to play through the turn without being interrupted.πͺΈ
ah so it seems spright is practically confirmed next month... welp prepare to have every deck you own become alot worse Sadge
So is tear better even without the ishizu cards/bystials or is spright gonna have the upper hand here? I remember runick spright and frog engine spright from tcg. Tear will have grass legal.....scary?
Look at all these toxic and salty bois getting tilted and abusing downvote lol is this the insanity that brings sprights and tear??
Runick Sprights will dominate as long as Tearlaments dont get their Ishizu cards. Runick Sprights was in TCG the stronger Sprights Variant and topped more tournaments than Tearlaments before Ishizu in the TCG. Once Ishizu cards came that changed of course...
Toadally ban is an overreaction .. We have Called by the Grave at 2 and DD Crow, they banish Toad so Spright Link cant revive it.
Pankratops at 3 is crazy. But I think they might reduce it later on IF kashtira comes live. Lvl 7 and easy single target pop that cant be targetet by spells and traps like infinite impern, runick monster negate, forbidden chalice etc.
2023 might get messy guys and gals
Edit: I think they might release Tearlaments with some limitations. Maybe they will semi limit certain cards like in the OCG after a time.
If they're pre-hitting Toad for Spright I better see every tear name limited on release and kitkalos instabanned. Especially with semilimited dshifter
probably all tearlament cards will be URs and they will only ban something when the selection pack with the ishizu cards comes out
Pow, right in the skull servant. At least we can still use Grass along with Reasoning and/or Danger! but it still hurts as it's not searchable.
At least Conq gets partially let out of jail, finally.
Ngl, im happy with this. Union and Toad as prelim hits for spright, Gazelle and Pankratops are free, TCBOO and Grass being semi'd, maybe going to one in the future. And for nostalgia, Infernity is given some breathing room without halq lol.
**** I have to dismantle my prizzy Toad? Sadge
How much CP do I get for dismantling a Royal Rare that is getting limited?
Konami hitting union carrier right after releasing abc therion is soooo scammy
Is Therion ABC still playable without Union Carrier? Looks like the galaxy combo is now impossible for the deck :(
Runick doesn't need hits, it frankly isn't that big a problem. Runick stun is frustrating to play against but the hit against TCBOO in addition to the hits to Demise and Duality will hopefully reduce that, we'll see. Personally I'm already seeing a lot less Runick on the ladder.
its a waste of time to play if they have the field spell. And I dont care about the ladder, its just an unfun deck to play against.
From some thinking, the biggest things about this list are pank to 3 and the obvious pre-ban spright hits. The jump from 2 to 3 of any of these cards isn't that noticable except for maybe jack
Konami have no intention of ban verte for free dragoon! Konamiπ€‘π€‘π€‘π€‘π€‘π€‘
Spright hits were nice but it def ainβt gonna stop them from dominating the game, especially if they arenβt releasing alongside Tearlaments
Why ban toadally awesome? The card isnt played in any top tier deck. I mean i know its strong but a tier list is supposed to balance the meta and not just randomly hit strong cards. There are other omni negates in the game which are similarly strong as toadally awesome and they are not banned...
It's almost certainly a pre-emptive hit to Splite, which uses Toad to make deeply oppressive negate boards.
Should it be good to buy packs from union carriersβ to get three? I only have one
I like the banlist but i think they could have done something unique in MD. I would like them to errata cards like Union Carrier instead of Banning them. Make it only equip Union Monsters to suitable cards ore something like that. Erratas are very hard to do in TCG and OCG but MD could do that way easier. (DL does that for effect dmg and main phase 2 effects) It would give a reason for players to play masterduel if their banned and abused card from their favorite deck would be changed ,so it wont be abused but can be unbanned.
Master Duel is a simulator first and foremost, so they can't do erratas on their own.
Actually it's a game 1st and a simulator 2nd. Duel Bonuses and lifetime achievements expect game things of you. They want you to be able to FTK and to deck out your opponent. Hence why I get ****** off over the opponent being able to surrender at any point because your opponent can take away your ability to earn a high duel score. Example: Surrendering on attack declaration therefore missing out on 3000 duel score of 9999+ damage.
Also that tcboo hit does jack sh*t. Most runick run already at 2. Shudda hit runick tip/ fountain or atleast put tcboo to 1
So? Just play Left Arm Offering or whatever. It's less consistent, but it's not a death sentence.
Wait, do people actually sad Shifter gone to 2? I know it's the best counter to Tear but it's still a sort-of floodgate you need to deal with and no one likes that.
shifter only works if u draw it in ur opening hand. Hitting it to 2 is way worse than hitting like the trap floodgates to 2. Shifter allowed decks that are able to use it to have a chance against tear 0 but I assume theyre gonna hit tear early which if they do hitting shifter is fine. In the ocg and tcg spright and tear could play through shifter and set up at the very least a bagooska for flunder and exosister and follow up.
From the toad ban, this is probably a preemptive ban list. This list is pretty pog and sad at the same time. I figured they'd ban Toad and semi grass and/or shifter so I've been holding off on crafting them. Glad I did.
It's nice to see eldlich cards getting free from the sins of floodgates. I like the unlimits. Wish union carrier didn't get banned, but I understand. It's a consistency card for bad decks and a degenerate card for great decks.
Toad banned is another L to plunder, jackalope to 3 danger tear is slightly better and why the **** they not banning grass
Yeah it's a fun deck. A lot of people played it in the TCG (pre-Ishizu Tearlament)
They should have given benten to 2 or unlimited it if they banned union carrior, also would hate to be a abc player rn
was enjoying playing toad for my water deck in MD because ocg banned it and now i don't feel that awesome anymore.. :c
Rhongo, verte and other toxic card are free, dragoon instead banned... konami, are you try to f*ucking annoying me? Farewell dumbs
Why not just ban Dragon Buster instead of Union Carrier? Banning UC kills ABC and hurt several other decks in the process that did not use it for the purpose of floodgating the opponent. They are banning the card that summons the actual problem card instead of banning the problem card. I'm not sure if banning Toad was necessary either since they already hit Union Carrier. Also, Toad is an essential piece for decks like Sharks/Fish decks, Paleo, Fluffal, Adventure Prank Kids. Furthermore, cards such as Grass/TCBOO/Demise/Rivalry/Gozen should be at 1 copy a the most. They might be bricks in many duels, but in those they do have value, they usually win games on their own (especially in a "no side deck" format like we have in Master Duel).
It wasn't just the dragon buster combo, Splight also abused Union Carrier and it will continue to open up degenerate stuff as long as it's legal. It's a neat card but it had to go.
Dragon Buster should still be playable for Buster Blader Players. All three of them.
nice, this is the first time Konami ban something from unlimited to forbidden, hope other floodgates like this
Lmaooo the list is a joke with no hits on the current meta for months, Runnick, Despia, Swordsoul and Mathmech are still practically at full powerπ€‘π€‘π€‘
i don't like shifter being put to (2) when tear are on the way, i get they want to make bank, but if they don't hit them in someway like they did with adventure i'm lifting my hand off this trash game.
Great what im i suppose to do with "Dragon Buster Destruction Sword" after dismantling "Union Carrier" π Also damn i was about to craft toad for my reptile deck alongside with shark but i guess thats not happening now π
Union carrier to 0 means ABC is dead. Even with it the deck was very easily chocked πͺ. Why ban Toad before he could shine, give my frog baaaaack!
GRASS to 2 is FINE!! Will discourage more abusive meta decks to use it (e.g. Tearlaments, Adamancipator, Dragon Link, Thunder Dragon, Shaddoll) but nonmeta pile decks will still use it (e.g. Witchcrafter, Zombies, Lunalight, Chaos). Grass to 2 did not even shake TEAR anyway!!
I'm just ****** off KONAMI ISN'T BANNING BLOCK DRAGON YET!! Till this day, Adamancipator is still relevant in the OCG!! Just kill the deck already like you did with Prank Kids!! Burn it with fire!! Don't give it a chance to live like Zoodiacs and Thunder Dragons!! REEEEEE!!
despia shaddoll w/grass? tho tru still weak 'n not abusive y'all + them shaddoll tourney toppers must be cheaters - one they're posting here mate - been asking how they do 1 'n never reply, never see shaddoll be bonza threat way during edison nekroz - just winda, i play swordsoul btw y'all β€οΈ
yes, the one ada deck is 100% a problem in the ocg. Definitely not the long-lasting tier 1 deck called ishizu tear.
In the last week out of 71 performing decks in the ocg, 3 of them were adamancipators. Thats the 3rd best performance after spright tri (8)and tear (26). They were piles with different engines tho and they dont usually perform this well. I'd still say that for master duel id rather not have 10 min combo decks that sets up an unbreakable board follow up and can play through nib irregardless of it being tier 3 now because 1 block dragon, its kinda bad going 2nd and looses to maxc. Id rather play against numeron or set 5 pass any day of the week
Sprights and Tearlaments will ruin both decks' career and put them at either Rogue or Tier 3 at best.
SwordSwo frankly doesn't have much you can ban aside from Protoss without wrecking the deck, and the deck doesn't deserve that. A Protoss hit would have been nice but honestly I'm not sure how much it'll be needed with what is coming down the pipe
grass suppose to be Forbidden... there can be only one i think suppose to be 1 including cards like skill drain/gozen/rivalry etc.
"Hi Konami, theres 3 combo decks in tier 1 but I dont like the floodgates rogue trap decks are playing pls ban" Runiks entire engine is a problem even with the floodgates at 1 theyll just play d fissure and monster floodgates to compensate.
genuinely garbage hot-dog-water awful bad banlist.
This is just the "we're gonna lightly preemptively hit spright and tear but also not address any of the current problems with the game" list.
Shifter to 2? Really? tcboo to 2? None of the bullshit floodgates hit at all? No gamma to 3? There's so much to hit and so much to unban and they just don't change anything of value.
Shifter to D is greatly unfortunately, but I do agree. So many cards needs unbanning. Why is Ovirapter still in semi-limit? Glad Gazelle is finally getting some love. Floodgates at 2 seems....semi fair. can't have it in opening hand as often, but I do kinda wish tcboo was at 1. Kinda busted. We really need more options to deal with the incoming meta beasts, and they're not providing,
If tcboo so busted why is no despia player playing it when they easily can? How many tcboo do u see in top cut of any tournament? Why is no one asking for branded fusion hit or mirrorjade to 1? Tcboo is a complete brick against despia. And the other floodgates are complete bricks in the other match ups. Also none of them are searchable. Given the bs the other decks spit out like send 3 cards from field and hand to grave and omninegate with easy board wipe and otk follow up, bullying trap decks is just unnecessary when theyre already rogue. With runik u have to hit the engine not the floodgates. Theyll just play monster floodgates instead or d fissure and people will cry till theyre all at 0.
I think Konami is already doing so. It is hardly limiting floodgates. Most likely, we'll get Runick hit in the upcoming months especially when Spright comes.
Yeah I hope they don't listen to the community on this one. Us control players have had our decks killed off one by one while they were never the best decks. First eldlich then floo and now its gonna be runick. Tribrigade, Swoswo and despia only ever got a slight slap to the wrist and mathmech is at full power, theyre all consistently winning all tournaments and they can't stop crying about inconsistent bricky floodgate traps.
have you considered that we don't like these floodgates BECAUSE they're inconsistent and sacky. It doesn't matter if the floodgates only see play in bad decks. They're bad because they see play and actively make the game worse for ALL players.
Also hitting the runick engine is not the hits we need to address that deck. Runick is super beatable without it being able to skill drain tcboo rivalry. Decks can beat bagooska pass. Runick spright probably will get some of those cards hit anyway tho.
So ur saying if control trap decks and runick could search any traps they need instead of randomly drawing them and them being complete bricks in many match ups then ud like them more? Give me a break
